Comments on: Tuesday 30th June

By: Richard Pinnell

Richard Pinnell — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:38:23 +0000

Graham, the only thing that has offended me here is your spelling of the word offence!! Just kidding, and yes your post did make me smile

By: JrF

JrF — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:14:10 +0000

it’s rather a shame that the term ambient became so connected to new age / bland music. Going just by the actual definition it’s a word that has some relevance to some of these areas (!)

By: graham halliwell

graham halliwell — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 23:58:26 +0000

“As much I completely agree about the AMM influence being huge, that’s still a crap name”

no offense intended, Richard. I posted as I thought it would make you smile. Half joking, half serious; a pun on AMM and the proliferation of post AMM influenced music. I could also cheekily be suggesting we reassess the meaning and implication of the word ‘ambient’, (which I assume you think a derogatory term), when applied to music or the music under discussion.

By: JrF

JrF — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:46:17 +0000

oh ? do you mean my opinion that it wasn’t AMM aim to influence others or that questions of influence are a bit iffy ? I just don’t see what it brings to the ears to think about these things. It doesn’t interest me one bit when I put on a cd or attend a concert to think about whether the folks are influenced by certain people (of course it does become a factor when it is obvious in a negative way) – in some ways I wonder whether it doesn’t restrict the ears a bit (wonder not firmly believe). I think the thing about what’s going on in London (& elsewhere of course) right now is that quite a lot of those involved are young-ish players & therefore still in that period of being influenced by the albums they regard as ‘classics’. It’s very positive right now & what makes it really exciting is what will come, where these players will go & watching them on that journey. It’s interesting to me whether the improv / experimental world functions the same way as the commencial pop world – you know, AMM are the improv Beatles / Bailey is Clapton etc etc. I find it odd.

By: Richard Pinnell

Richard Pinnell — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:29:19 +0000

Yeah to be clear I don’t want the silliness of ihm spilling over here.

Jez you are certainly in the minority with that opinion, though I respect your right to hold it. Particularly in London right now the influence of AMM on a good number of musicians (but of course far from all of them) is very evident.

By: JrF

JrF — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:25:36 +0000

re the influence of AMM – I don’t want to kick off a big discussion but I think there is a danger of assumption about things like this. I make this point slightly in reference to a bit of the stuff going on right now on ihm too. It’s amazingly similar to how the rest of the music world works to assume certain influences. I for one didn’t hear anything by AMM until perhaps 5 years ago – quite a deliberate choice in fact because people kept assuming I must have heard them & as I hadn’t I should. Seems to me that AMM’s aim was never to influence – not even themselves, right ?

By: jon abbey

jon abbey — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:12:08 +0000

yep, god forbid anyone discuss anything outside of a pub. how come you don’t chime in, Mark?

By: Richard Pinnell

Richard Pinnell — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:30:13 +0000

Yeah I know Mark, its just not healthy to get involved, but there you go

By: mark

mark — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:54:15 +0000

in light of what is kicking off over at ihatemusic today (i thought you weren’t entering such discussions anymore richard? always seems to happen when you have a day off), maybe PAJEFIAICEAI is more appropriate.

Post-American-Japanese-European-Free-Improvisation-Amm-Influenced-Current-Electro-Acoustic-Improvisation

By: Richard Pinnell

Richard Pinnell — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 12:35:37 +0000

“actually, jokes aside, i quite like the term AMMbient. AMM’s influence (conscious or otherwise) is so obvious in a lot of today’s music.”

As much I completely agree about the AMM influence being huge, that’s still a crap name Mark

Have you been sniffing at that gas meter again?

I actually did see both Horace and Walter Cardew play together yesterday. It didn’t sound much like AMM…..