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	<description>the gathered thoughts of Richard Pinnell</description>
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		<title>By: jon abbey</title>
		<link>http://www.thewatchfulear.com/?p=1232&#038;cpage=1#comment-1339</link>
		<dc:creator>jon abbey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one other note about that set since you bring it up again: jason was amused at Richard&#039;s description since he said he didn&#039;t use a single loop that night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one other note about that set since you bring it up again: jason was amused at Richard&#8217;s description since he said he didn&#8217;t use a single loop that night.</p>
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		<title>By: graham halliwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>graham halliwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, if you have difficulty finding a copy of Recorded Delivery please let me know.

DL&#039;d the Jason Lescalleet excerpt from the Cut and Splice festival as broadcast on R3.  Listened to it 3 times and loved every second of it.  Interestingly, in a brief interview, Jason mentioned how he&#039;d observed that slowing down tapes appeared to increase the scale of the sound.  This is certainly something I&#039;d noticed on The Breadwinner.  It then got me thinking that if a tape is reduced to half its speed then a signal at 24 Khz, just outside our hearing range, is then brought into our hearing range at 12Khz.  And likewise a low frequency signal at 24 hz  will become subsonic; i.e. felt rather than heard (which would explain why the drive units on my speakers flap around on parts of The Breadwinner).  Unintentional sounds enter the framework.  Reducing tape speed to quarter speed would probably include even more unheard information, intentional or not.  This would explain why the scale of sounds appears enlarged.

Fairly simple, obvious stuff, I guess, but interesting and with wonderful sonic results - at least to my ears; the sound of magnetism.  Its also interesting to note that Eliane Radigue&#039;s early experiments were with tape manipulation, (reducing tape speed, tape feedback, etc.), before she took delivery of her first synthesiser.  I&#039;m really looking forward to hearing some of those CD&#039;s of early material about to be released.  I hope you review them, Richard.

The Alvin Lucier clarinet/sine tone piece from Cut and Splice (a Hommage piece) was also sublime and beautiful.

Would have posted this on Richard&#039;s Cut and Splice review from a few weeks ago, but found it locked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, if you have difficulty finding a copy of Recorded Delivery please let me know.</p>
<p>DL&#8217;d the Jason Lescalleet excerpt from the Cut and Splice festival as broadcast on R3.  Listened to it 3 times and loved every second of it.  Interestingly, in a brief interview, Jason mentioned how he&#8217;d observed that slowing down tapes appeared to increase the scale of the sound.  This is certainly something I&#8217;d noticed on The Breadwinner.  It then got me thinking that if a tape is reduced to half its speed then a signal at 24 Khz, just outside our hearing range, is then brought into our hearing range at 12Khz.  And likewise a low frequency signal at 24 hz  will become subsonic; i.e. felt rather than heard (which would explain why the drive units on my speakers flap around on parts of The Breadwinner).  Unintentional sounds enter the framework.  Reducing tape speed to quarter speed would probably include even more unheard information, intentional or not.  This would explain why the scale of sounds appears enlarged.</p>
<p>Fairly simple, obvious stuff, I guess, but interesting and with wonderful sonic results &#8211; at least to my ears; the sound of magnetism.  Its also interesting to note that Eliane Radigue&#8217;s early experiments were with tape manipulation, (reducing tape speed, tape feedback, etc.), before she took delivery of her first synthesiser.  I&#8217;m really looking forward to hearing some of those CD&#8217;s of early material about to be released.  I hope you review them, Richard.</p>
<p>The Alvin Lucier clarinet/sine tone piece from Cut and Splice (a Hommage piece) was also sublime and beautiful.</p>
<p>Would have posted this on Richard&#8217;s Cut and Splice review from a few weeks ago, but found it locked.</p>
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		<title>By: JrF</title>
		<link>http://www.thewatchfulear.com/?p=1232&#038;cpage=1#comment-1337</link>
		<dc:creator>JrF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;still have a hard time imagining how it might taste&#039; 

&amp; once you have tasted it plenty of people have a hard time imagining why ? i&#039;m partial to a bit of freshly baked marmite bread myself but Bovril is the thing for spreading !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8217;still have a hard time imagining how it might taste&#8217; </p>
<p>&amp; once you have tasted it plenty of people have a hard time imagining why ? i&#8217;m partial to a bit of freshly baked marmite bread myself but Bovril is the thing for spreading !</p>
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		<title>By: michael pisaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael pisaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graham, thanks now to Richard, and a few months ago, to Adam Sonderberg, I recently got to know Mark Wastell&#039;s truly wonderful &quot;Vibra&quot; pieces (#1 and #2). The similarities _and_ the differences in approach are really interesting. I&#039;m going to have to check out your CD with Mark, Rhodri and Steve, on Confront (that goes on my list). As luck would have it, I just ordered your Cathnor release from Richard and am really looking forward to hearing it.

Marmite? I wonder how many of us in the US (or California at least), have encountered this magical substance ... I looked it up and still have a hard time imagining how it might taste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graham, thanks now to Richard, and a few months ago, to Adam Sonderberg, I recently got to know Mark Wastell&#8217;s truly wonderful &#8220;Vibra&#8221; pieces (#1 and #2). The similarities _and_ the differences in approach are really interesting. I&#8217;m going to have to check out your CD with Mark, Rhodri and Steve, on Confront (that goes on my list). As luck would have it, I just ordered your Cathnor release from Richard and am really looking forward to hearing it.</p>
<p>Marmite? I wonder how many of us in the US (or California at least), have encountered this magical substance &#8230; I looked it up and still have a hard time imagining how it might taste.</p>
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		<title>By: JrF</title>
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		<dc:creator>JrF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>probably not my place to say so but I enjoy reading Graham&#039;s posts too.

I reckon if you name the 1000 marmite jar project something like &#039;reaction &amp; interaction with the remaining dark matter&#039; &amp; whip up a 1000 words about the relationship between consumer processes &amp; the active disintegration of European public health, then there&#039;s at least a £10,000 arts council grant in it for you ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>probably not my place to say so but I enjoy reading Graham&#8217;s posts too.</p>
<p>I reckon if you name the 1000 marmite jar project something like &#8216;reaction &amp; interaction with the remaining dark matter&#8217; &amp; whip up a 1000 words about the relationship between consumer processes &amp; the active disintegration of European public health, then there&#8217;s at least a £10,000 arts council grant in it for you <img src='http://www.thewatchfulear.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Pinnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Pinnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graham your presence here is very much welcomed and treasured by me at least. Please keep derailing things (not that you do)

I&#039;m also interested to hear that Cut n Splice programme. Its here for anyone able to access the BBC iPlayer, maybe the UK only? Not sure.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00lfhyc/Hear_and_Now_Cut_and_Splice_Living_Rooms_Episode_2/

I like the idea of a work for a thousand empty Marmite jars. Could be fun, especially the work involved in the preparation ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graham your presence here is very much welcomed and treasured by me at least. Please keep derailing things (not that you do)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also interested to hear that Cut n Splice programme. Its here for anyone able to access the BBC iPlayer, maybe the UK only? Not sure.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00lfhyc/Hear_and_Now_Cut_and_Splice_Living_Rooms_Episode_2/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00lfhyc/Hear_and_Now_Cut_and_Splice_Living_Rooms_Episode_2/</a></p>
<p>I like the idea of a work for a thousand empty Marmite jars. Could be fun, especially the work involved in the preparation <img src='http://www.thewatchfulear.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: graham halliwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>graham halliwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mark and Graham, if you haven’t already heard this you both should, it will be right up your streets&quot;.

I&#039;ve never heard Michael&#039;s work, and I&#039;m looking forward to the forthcoming Cathnor release.  From your description, and Michael&#039;s comment above, &quot;Sculpture for the Blind&quot; does sound frighteningly similar (in intent and result) to &quot;Vibra&quot; and &quot;Beat&quot; from Recorded Delivery, and some of the experiments we did in +minus with Bernard Gunter.  (And does &quot;The Essence of Things&quot; ring any bells Richard?).  But then Mark and I have always considered ourselves to be well ahead of our time ;-) (and seriously big :-) )

I&#039;m now looking forward to listening to last night&#039;s Cut and Splice BBC R3 broadcast featuring Alvin Lucier (sine tone work) and Jason Lescalleet.

I promised myself I wasn&#039;t going to post here for a while, I feel I keep derailing your wonderful blog.  But its hard not to respond to someone you know and respect who is so dedicated to the cause.  I&#039;m also looking forward to you becoming a musician and taking up amplified Marmite containers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mark and Graham, if you haven’t already heard this you both should, it will be right up your streets&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never heard Michael&#8217;s work, and I&#8217;m looking forward to the forthcoming Cathnor release.  From your description, and Michael&#8217;s comment above, &#8220;Sculpture for the Blind&#8221; does sound frighteningly similar (in intent and result) to &#8220;Vibra&#8221; and &#8220;Beat&#8221; from Recorded Delivery, and some of the experiments we did in +minus with Bernard Gunter.  (And does &#8220;The Essence of Things&#8221; ring any bells Richard?).  But then Mark and I have always considered ourselves to be well ahead of our time <img src='http://www.thewatchfulear.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  (and seriously big <img src='http://www.thewatchfulear.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>I&#8217;m now looking forward to listening to last night&#8217;s Cut and Splice BBC R3 broadcast featuring Alvin Lucier (sine tone work) and Jason Lescalleet.</p>
<p>I promised myself I wasn&#8217;t going to post here for a while, I feel I keep derailing your wonderful blog.  But its hard not to respond to someone you know and respect who is so dedicated to the cause.  I&#8217;m also looking forward to you becoming a musician and taking up amplified Marmite containers.</p>
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		<title>By: JrF</title>
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		<dc:creator>JrF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>looking forward to getting a copy of this one - exciting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>looking forward to getting a copy of this one &#8211; exciting.</p>
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		<title>By: michael pisaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael pisaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 06:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, thanks for the nice words and the excellent Brancusi pics!

Regarding the sine tones: the strategy is similar to that of &#039;Transparent City&#039; -- sometimes one is aware of them, sometimes not, but they always affect the overall sound in some significant if (often) mysterious way.  Sometimes, as you rightly guessed, their presence would only become obvious when you would compare a tam-tam sound with a sine tone to that same sound without.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, thanks for the nice words and the excellent Brancusi pics!</p>
<p>Regarding the sine tones: the strategy is similar to that of &#8216;Transparent City&#8217; &#8212; sometimes one is aware of them, sometimes not, but they always affect the overall sound in some significant if (often) mysterious way.  Sometimes, as you rightly guessed, their presence would only become obvious when you would compare a tam-tam sound with a sine tone to that same sound without.</p>
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